This post has nothing to do with anything other than letting the truth be told. It has nothing to do with "siding" with Scientology or anyone else for that matter, as dodge claims. I of all people would never side with Scientology for the sake of taking sides, I am strongly opposed to Scientology and have been for quite sometime.
But if there is any truth behind the claims made at the website factnet exposed, I feel that it should be out in the open so folks can form their own opinion of whether or not it is something they want to be associated with. If even some of it is true and the rest is embellished, then still I feel that what is true should be out in the open. Just as factnet feels that the truth be told and out in the open concerning cults then the same must be true concerning factnet's former and current administration and their involvment with any organization that was/is guilty of illegal acts.
I feel that the current administration at factnet is deceptive and bias, and that is the reason I chose to leave the site. I do not feel that I want to be part of a site that appoints an atheist as a moderator on Christian threads that trolls around on Christian forums, even outside of factnet, in order to insult and ridicule the basic Christian beliefs and doctrines in order to try to intimidate or humilate the posters. Or someone that likes to insult others by telling them they are psychologically unbalanced because of their beliefs or because of a fault they deem they have. This someone is, of course, known as dodge. His username as moderator was Josh125, and he may still be moderator of factnet for all I know....I can't really believe him nor factnet because of their lying in the first place.
Not only did factnet appoint someone like this as a moderator they lied about it when they claimed that they were not going to appoint dodge as their moderator. In turn dodge lied about being a Methodist minister. While his stint as a moderator he would do the same tactics that he normally does, troll around insulting and ridiculing the posters that were Christians under his username dodge. I knew from the beginning when they claimed that they were going to appoint someone else as moderator that they lied, I could tell by Josh125's posting style that it was dodge. But I didn't have conclusive proof until dodge admitted it here on the blog that he was indeed the moderator Josh125. I warned all of the posters that I am friends, that I felt cared, that it was indeed dodge. So basically when he admitted to being the moderator I thought to myself, "well I knew it all along" and eventually I decided to leave the forum.
After leaving, I found something very interesting and very bizarre. I had seen the site factnet exposed once before awhile ago, but I never really went to the site or read it until just recently. Once I left factnet I removed the link to their website off of my favorites. So I ran a search in order to go to factnet to check my private messages there, and that is when I again saw the factnet exposed site. I then went to the site and read it, and I was very creeped out afterward. All I did was post the link here and ask if anyone had ever seen it, and if so was there any truth to it. I was then immediately banned from factnet for an entire year. All for just posting a link. It really doesn't matter much that I was banned because I had officially told dodge I was no longer going to post there. But I thought it was kinda strange that I got banned for a year just for posting the link and asking if anyone had ever seen it and if there was any truth to it. Then dodge came over to the blog here and accused me and others of "siding" with Scientology...whatever that means. What a very strange thing to say, I didn't realize there were "sides". Afterall, dodge has stated repeatedly that factnet forums are nothing more than a sandbox. Well if it is a sandbox, it appears that the they may need to change their sand cause it seems to be too soiled with shit for this Cat to use....LOL
Soooo, being intrigued about why dodge would flip a cork over one link that I posted and have me banned for a year, I just felt the need to do a bit of research about factnet and the validity to the claims on factnet exposed. I found some very interesting things. It appears that factnet was indeed linked to the old CAN in at least a couple of different ways. Also, factnet's sister website is called the "Texas Cult Awareness Network" and can be found here: www.texascult.org/.
Not only that, they still are linked to Rick Ross, they endorse him and have a link on their current website under an article titled, "Use of Forced Deprogramming" which reads: "For more information on the history of cult intervention work and ethical standards, please see http://www.rickross.com/ethics.html " which can be found here: http://www.factnet.org/node/370
Ethical standards and Rick Ross??? lmao Wow how weird considering that it was Rick Ross, his associates, and CAN who were involved in kidnapping 18 year old Jason Scott and his two younger brothers. Ross was eventually arrested and tried but was never convicted. His associates were and they were sentenced to 1 year in jail. They locked the two little ones in a basement and after days of arguing and shouting the two boys agreed to leave the church. Ross then kidnapped Jason and attempted to forcefully deprogram him. CAN referred Scott's mother to Rick Ross when she left the Pentecostal church because she was convinced the church was a cult and wanted help for her 3 sons that didn't want to leave the church. Rick Ross then kidnapped him and tried to forcefully deprogram him...?!?! You can read about the Jason Scott case here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott_case
The links between factnet to the old CAN are infact true, there is at least one letter that I found that Lawrence Wollersheim wrote to CAN's then executive director Cynthia Kisser. This letter can be found in the book, "Agents of Discord: Deprogramming, Pseudo-Science, And the American Anticult Movement" by Anson Shupe and Susan J. Darnell. Shupe is Professor of Sociology and Anthropology at the Joint campus of Indiana University and Purdue University in Fort Wayne and is thought of by many to be one of the most respected sociologists of religion. Susan Darnell is a civil rights activist and journalist. Shupe and Darnell were also able to uncover quite a bit of unethical accounting and handling of donations that CAN received. Also CAN and factnet have indeed used the same lawyer, Daniel Leipold.
I then began running searches for the people on factnet exposed and I came across some of the names on none other than factnet's archive message board forums. The posters are from the Tony Alamo foundation and they are discussing old times and the foundation. Ian Mann, one of the ex members, and one of the people mentioned on factnet exposed, is apologizing to some of the members who were children at the time for being "mean" to them and states that he was only following orders about that stuff. He then claims he had no children of his own so he didn't know any better....What a crock of shit! There is no excuse for this whatsoever, even a 12 year old babysitter knows not to be mean to children!!
Here is the post
10-31-2005 05:32 PM #22
iasmann (iasmann) Guest
Hey jules, Teaching at the
Hey jules,
Teaching at the school was a real blessing for me. I had a lot of fun with everyone and you all learned a lot. You were good students and good kids. I think it was just you and April in your class. I can;t remember if there was any one else. It is truly one of my happiest memories of the foundation
I;m sorry for the ones I was mean to. Like Carlos and Miguel, Jason and Big D in particular. I was just following Tony and Sues instructions on that stuff. Never having been a parent at that time I didn;t know much about kids and thought I was doing the right thing.
Also on this thread they are discussing how it was nice to talk and be able to recognize who was who because on the main forum some of them had a different username....... This can all be found here: http://factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?9854-Just-talk
Huh? Different usernames?? But factnet's rules are that only moderators are allowed to have 2 different usernames. That means that these folks were moderators on factnet apparently.
Also Jesse Prince, another criminal mentioned on factnet exposed, has indeed been involved, at least somewhat, with factnet. You can read that here: http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/lauras.htm.
This website is about an issue that cropped up between factnet and CAN awhile back. I stumbled across this link just today. Apparently Jesse had actually gone to factnet's lawyer, Daniel Leipold to speak with him and in this post he mentions factnet. Although this does not prove that he was a mod on factnet, it would not surprise me if he was.
So as we can see, there is a connection between the old CAN and factnet and there is indeed a connection between some of the folks on the website factnet exposed and factnet, and some of them most likey were moderators on the factnet forum if they were allowed more than one username on factnet.
I am still finding more and more every day so stay tuned more articles to come.
Great detective work. I figured there was truth to the FactNet Exposed blob. Dodge was too quick to come here and try to distract from it by claiming we were "siding" with Scientology, and also accusing us of waging a "smear campaign" against FactNet. Funny how when Dodge trolls the board there and insults people, it isn't even "abusive ad hominem" much less smearing. But as you said, all you did was post a link to the FactNet Exposed blog, and not only have you been banned from FactNet for a year. But now they are taunting you and Thor, by resurrecting the Black Metal Music thread at FactNet. They know you complained about them being allowed to attack both of you with allegations of the type of music you may wish to appreciate using threads and comments like that. Scumbags and cowards.
ReplyDeleteYup, Thor saw that and told me about it. Dodge reposted the funny video I had put up, the Listerine commercial that Peter Tagtgren did. Oh my...satanic Listerine!!!! But dodge did infact do it as a taunt, as if I care what the hell he thinks of Peter Tagtgren, and as if Peter Tagtgren cares what the hell dodge thinks of him! LMFAO
ReplyDeleteI infact did complain to Josh125/dodge about the fact that weaseltine started a thread titled Black Metal to start shit with us. Apparently weaseltine is convinced we worship satan and specifically asked us not to cast any spells on him. Well just to set the record straight Shadowcat and Helloween do not worship satan and I've never cast a spell on anyone in my life and I do not plan on casting a spell on anyone. It is safe to say though that any bad thoughts concerning a foe if thought about enough can actually be considered a spell to some practioners of magic....
*Shadowcat gets out pen and paper and writes weaseltine and dodge sucks 1000 times* LOL
I'm not surprised at their behavior and I can see why Dodge is so comfortable within the FactNet CULTure. After all, he's immoral, reprobate and cowardly, which fits in quite well with the rest of the associates there.
DeleteWeaseltime is just another board troll, which Dodge feels he can manipulate by leading Weasltime around dangling carrots in front of his nose. As long as Dodge shows appreciation for Weaseltime's antics, Weaseltime will respond in kind by playing FactNet's court jester.
Hey I just noticed something. That dude Ian Mann posted on fn that teaching at the school, whilst he was being mean to the children, were the happiest memories he had of the Alamo Foundation. WTF?? Talk about a scumbag....
ReplyDeleteInstead of posting he should have turned himself into the authorities then checked himself into a mental health facility.
Part of the CULTure at FactNet involves enjoying power over others. Being a moderator over the forums affords these malcontents some illusion of power and authority. I'm actually surprised these moderators were not more aggressive a few years ago when there were many more members. I guess maybe they just liked the title, but actually moderating was too much of a chore.
DeleteDodge can say or do what he wants with videos of Peter Tagtgren. Peter still has more talent and actually does something, unlike little scumbags who have nothing better to do than to sit around and taunt everyone. And Weaseltine is at it by posting a black metal album that was PRODUCED by Peter Tagtgren. Do you idiots know what that means? It means he was in charge of production, not the writing process you fucking morons. He could care less what is on the album as long as he gets paid to do it.
ReplyDeleteHow about something in reality, like the songs that were written by Peter when he took over vocals for Hypocrisy, because thats when he wrote the lyrics losers. I fucking hate people sometimes.
Not to mention that Dark Funeral is the band that the original vocalist of Hypocrisy started after quitting Hypocrisy. Which was the best move done for the career of Hypocrisy and began the real legacy of Peter Tagtgren.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised that Dodge and Weaseltime aren't huge fans of any band named Hypocrisy, for obvious reasons.
DeleteThats for suree, considering they are some of the biggest hypocrits on the planet.
DeleteLOL their CULTure, for sure! I wish I had pulled all of my private messages from FactNet before I was banned from their CULTure.
ReplyDeleteI had one from Josh125/dodge where he was praising you smyrna for being civil in recent times compared to your old posts and then he said that weaseltine was a troll and so was franklin, then he said something about chad14 was well chad14, whatever that means.