Smyrna: Shepherd's Chapel Defender

Smyrna SC Defender · 06-17-2012 03:31 PM

Here is Mr. Factnet's (he also posts as 'nabashalam' when he's not moderating explanation in a recent reply to a member asking where me, Thor (who was 'Sammael' and "shadowcat" aka shadowkitty where at FactNet):

06-17-2012 03:31 PM #3

theadmin

Board Adminstrator

Smyrna, Shadowcat, and Sammael were banned from posting for one year. Sammael purposely used offensive language in order to get himself banned (it was his choice). Smyrna and Shadowcat set up a website attacking FACTnet, Lawrence Wollersheim (the website owner), the forum administration, and the moderators…all because one of our moderators wouldn’t allow them to continue engaging in ad hominem rhetoric (personally attacking other members of the forum and using inappropriate language).

These are the reasons you don’t see them around here, Father of a King. Sammael has 280 days and 2 hours left, Smyrna has 289 days and 3 hours left, and Shadowcat has 303 days and 15 hours left before they can post again.

Seems there isn’t much interest in Shepherds Chapel/Arnold Murray without Smyrna; but the subject is, of course, open for debate.

Mr. Factnet

He was accurate about Sammael, but he went off the charts with false info regarding me and Shadowcat. First of all, Shadowcat was not instrumental in my publishing this blog. She has and is contributing info and articles when she so chooses. Furthermore I QUIT FactNet and the first articles on this blog explain why in great detail.

I echo Thor's words in his previous article about how the Admins there actually talk like we are going to go back there after our one year bans! First of all, these clowns live in an illusion. I can go back there anytime I wish, unless they want to totally shut down the site to new members. I just can't let on I'm Smyrna. But I could work around that very easily. I also take the references to us coming back there as a vague admission they were culpable in the turmoil that came of the admin's behavior as briefly outlined below.

The arrogance of "Mr. FactNet" is mind-boggling. This is a guy who orchestrated a deception where an atheist and admitted board troll was made moderator over the Christian forums at FactNet. When members complained about this, he then gave that same atheist troll another user name, and claimed he was a different person, a Methodist minister of all things. After pulling a stunt like that, HE should have been banned or at the very least had any authority as an administrator removed.

And this troll/atheist I'm talking about is a world class hypocrite and countless examples of his ad hominem rhetoric can be cited at FactNet. To single me out and claim I was banned for it is just a load of bullshit, and this is why this blog was formed, as well as to defend the Shepherd's Chapel without any concern about liberal, atheist, hypocrite moderators that side with those of the same ilk, who have no problem abusing their own rules by using them as weapons.

Smyrna SC Defender

The guy known as Jeff Franklin, who for a long time was FactNet.org's resident loon on the forums there, publishes his own site as Thor pointed out. I don't mind plugging it either, it is entertaining: cultbustersgalactica.yuku.com One experiment I did with that site a while ago was to check Franklin's sources for his articles. Franklin is a proud Conservative, but you'd never know it going by his opinions and sources for the copy/paste articles he posts on his site. Most are published by Liberals!

He started that site because he was booted off cbrefugeecamp.yuku.com for about the fourth time when one counts the old "Culbusters" website. He's so paranoid, he won't let anyone join his site's forums. So far only himself, some fruitcake named Sharon and his own sock puppet invention "Kerrie" are the only members that are active. There is a guy named Rory who mainly uses his affiliation with Franklin's site to plug his book, but I doubt its very effective, since virtually no one reads all that garbage. Some woman named Robin too, but she isn't very active at all. Franklin has a standing challenge to debate anyone who wants to debate him, but it is an empty, phony challenge. First of all, from my own direct experience, Franklin is incapable of true debate.

You cannot debate anyone if they refuse to acknowledge their opponent's points, or support any of their accusations with any evidence. One only has to see how this idiot behaves during discussions at FactNet.org's forums (he posts as jeff_franklin there, here's an example: Franklin's Lunacy) and it's true he is one of the most intolerant and hypocritical people I've ever encountered.

All in all though, because of his quirkiness, Franklin has always been an incredibly entertaining guy, mainly when he's trying to be serious.

Thor

I took a look at the status of factnet forums and now I am literally laughing my ass off. There desperation is at an all time high. First the opening up of the forums to more general topics. That didn't go anywhere and now it looks like the poster cloning is now being done. Everyone of them being athiest, everyone of them having their collected heads up their collective poop shoots, identical attitudes, identical comments, too convenient. So it looks like to fool the people into believing that they have a regular posting community, they have multiple user accounts for one. Not that it was anything suprising because they have done it before. So instead of admitting that their forums are dead, they will make vain attempts to keep it on life support.

Congradulations Factnet, you are proving how detached from reality you all are. Fuck your pathetic forums. They were amusing but that novelty wore off a long time ago. I don't even know why you bother keeping us on a year ban. Because after its all said and done, I will not ever come back because I have much better things to do than deal with a bunch of overhyped, cult fanatics and their idol and owner Weaselman. I could give less than a shit about what you are supposedly about, because your all gullible jackasses in the first place. I don't care about your issues, I don't care about your problems, and I certainly don't give a shit for your fake cult busting.

Thor

I must be really bored today or just waiting for a little one to take a nap while waiting for my ceremonial candle to cool down. I for the hell of it decided to browse this site called cultbustersgalactica and I my eyes were practically at the point of gushing blood at the lunacy and complete lack of any objectiveness period. In a nutshell it is the polar opposite of factnet and run by a so called Christian nutcase known as Jeff Franklin. The ironic thing about that nickname is that is also the name of a terrorist in the Cobra Society back in DC Comics. Very interesting in itself. But I am digressing...

One look at this site and you can clearly see the motives behind this site. It claims to be against cults, but there are several examples of how this is not the case. On a first glance looks like any run of the mills information site (once you finally cut through the spammy graphics that annoy instead of show any proper graphical support for a website). However there is favoritism in it, his favorite targets are aethiests, Islam and so called Christian Cults. Again, nothing seemling unusual, especially when this nut claims that he doesn't just throw these groups on here and that he is tolerant of other religions.

Yet practically in every rant, he clearly proves otherwise and its easy to see that if they don't go accordingly to his views its a cult. He constantly uses the phrase the word of God as his weapon against cultic delusions. But if they don't fit his small box view of Christianity, then it automatically is a cult. So much for tolerance there. Even a fool knows that everyone has unique views upon the world and religion. No one worships the same way and no one has the exact same beliefs. So to target one as heretical cult because you consider something blasphemous isn't backing at all. Its just subjective opinions that have no substantial facts to them.

Upon further viewing, there is a Hindu and Buddhist cult section, interesting. Even more interesting that there are far fewer threads in these sections than any other, next to the Jewish Cult section,. This further shows his overtly deluded sense of purpose. All that was in these two sections are the history of them and some other background information. No clear cults even mentioned in these threads. So we are left to a couple conclusions. 1) the wingnut just decided to add them on the whim and is trying to cover his ass by supplying a history of them when no information can be found of cult activities or 2) in his overtly pious acts of heresy hunting, decided to add these because they are not "Of Christ". Experience with this wingnut leads me to the latter. So we already see that his supposed tolerance is bullshit.

In the Jewish section, only one mention of cultic groups, the Ultra orthodox. Are you sure these are the only ones? Thats right, you believe the chosen group bullshit and can't target what the Bible says is God's Chosen Ones. So again, your objectivity is null and void.

I could go on and on about this but for the reader's sanity and my own I will be ending this in a bit. He claims that he has applicants to his site all the time. If this were true how come you only see 2 participating members? Obviously no one wants to scroll for all eternity only to find that some retard has finally figured out how to gain internet access and spouts nothing but mindless dribble. The only value I have found through his entire site is that it was obviously designed by some fanatical moron who got kicked out of his school sci-fi club because he called them heretics when he was told it was impossile to build a real life running replica of the Enterprise that can attain warp speed.

Have fun frankie boy, I know its hard for you to believe that we are laughing at you and not with you. But then again in your pc world, you would consider it rude to make fun of obvious high functioning retards (a term from good ole Charlie Murphy).

Thor

Smyrna you think you could do another photoshop job with the Jeff Franklin pic? Preferrably with a cowboy hat? If so, then he would look like auditioner #4. Priceless hahahahahahahahahaha.

Thor

Yes, I know its been a while but I had a few things that needed my attention and was busy taking care of that. Now that its back in working order I can now start posting on here again. After a number of months, I figured that I would look and see what the state of factnet is. Not that I am any bit surprised, its about as dead as it comes as Smyrna has commented on earlier.

The ultimate hilarity comes from the fact that they are so desperate for posters that they have opened up the forums to other topics outside of "cults". I put that word in quotes because it gets harder and harder to understand what constitutes a cult in their collective minds. If thats not bad enough when you look at Dodge's posts, it still has that borish attitude that he has always had. He can never be wrong about anyone or anything. He shows the same lack of respect for Hinduism and other spiritual aspects as he does Christianity. I saw his posts in response to someone who practices and teaches yoga aesthetics. Then he pretty much goes on his usual rant being as insulting as usual. Yet he still never gets called on it. We get the point that you don't believe in it already, but do you need to harras those who do and actually feel something from it? Do you really think they give a shit that you don't believe in it? Do you honestly think your antagonism is going to change anything?

Smyrna, I don't know about you, but I get so tired of reading Dodge babbling on and on about "his 63 years of life experience". This is pure arrogance. Your one in 6 Billion? What makes you possibly think that your life is any more special than those? To quote the guy who gave this very true commencement speech, your nothing special. Your life experience is your and yours alone. It is irrelevant because it is all subjective to your point of view from the beginning. Just because you have never felt anything doesn't mean its fact. You are hardly in a position to pass judgement on fact and fiction of those events that happen that even science can't explain. So fine if you don't believe, but quit acting your life experience is proof of anything, the only thing it proves is that you are too arrogant to acknowledge anything that is higher than yourself.

Admin, I saw your post to father of faking and I had the biggest laugh possible. Especially how you tried to justify Shadowcat's banning. That was the biggest bullshit story I have ever seen. She in no way or form was co anything on the creation of this blog. She is a contributor and nothing more, same with me. We both accepted Smyrna's open invite to post here and I know that neither of us regret it either. You seem to forget that Smyrna had in fact put mass invites for his blog. So your excuse for banning her was both very shameful and extremely fabricated. This whole blog is the brain child of one person, Smyrna himself. We post here when and how we see fit, and if it pisses you and your precious owner that much that we air out our grievances here (since we know damn well that it will be here for all you to see and will never be deleted compounded with the fact that we know you will never do anything at all to the other guilty parties, this is the only way plausible for us to speak) and call all your bullshit tactics out, then that is your issue not ours.

I will never deny what I did on your precious forums, because to me that is all you guys deserve. The same shit kicked in your face and I will never change my non-pc approach. Being pc is for little pussies who can antagonize to their hearts content but can't take it.

BTW anal administrator, I guess your mind was elsewhere when you allowed Dodge to post Fuck Christmas not once but twice. So your view offensive language is obviously centered on a select few. Oh well, again not my fucking problem but yours.

In closing, I have this to say to all at factnet.
"There is a new religion coming round the bend, and it's called FUCK YOU!!!!!"

Smyrna SC Defender

SC Defender does not pull any punches. If our opinion leads us to think certain people are idiots, morons, even assholes, they will be labeled as such. Few Bible thumpers realize the language used by even Christ Himself was pretty rough in the original languages which He used. St. Paul was the same, way. There was no "political correctness" in Jesus' time.

If authors of articles here say they lean towards pagan philosophy, then this is their choice, and any other authors who may contribute in the future will not be treated with intolerance. Authors here are here because we have something in common, generally a quest for truth in all things, and exposing dishonesty. Thor and Shadowkitty used to be bitter opponents of mine on two different forums. Yet we found common ground in our mutual hatred of the dishonest tactics used by both SC detractors as well as FactNet's staff and alleged "former" staff.

As I have proven several times here, comments by those who we have written about are always welcomed, no matter what. We do not censor here. That way, we cannot be charged with cowardice or manipulation, unlike FactNet, who are overweighted with examples of both.

Though language peppered with slang may be distracting or offensive to some, authors are welcome to express themselves in any way they choose. All too often offensive language was used as an excuse to distract from greater offenses committed by those in the far left atheist camp at FactNet, and we wish to distance ourselves from any suspicion of doing that here. Truth is all that matters. For example, someone could be comparing Murray and SC folks to the Nazis, and if a Chapel student would call that person an idiot for doing so, the SC student would be warned for flaming and insulting another FactNet member, yet there was no problem with the detractor comparing the SC Church to Nazis.

That one time Jeff_Franklin was temporarily banned for doing so was not indicative of fairness. In fact, it was merely window dressing to try and appease those who detected the bias on behalf of FactNet's moderator, who was having problems trying to stay neutral, due to the SC defenders always taking the other side of his arguments. he was liberal, and the others Conservative, and he was using that bias as an escape mechanism.

When pressed for an excuse why this bias was apparent, SCers were told that person had a right to his or her opinion. So if SCers think that person is a moron for claiming this is that not just an opinion? So obviously the FactNet moderators used the abusive language PC excuse to stifle those who they wished to oppose. When abusive language was not used, other excuses were made to make participation difficult for SC people, a a topic already treated here in depth in previous articles.

Smyrna SC Defender

Along with "Stage_Director", "Jeff_Franklin" his handle at FactNet, make up two of the most absurd SC detractors. Dishonest or mentally challenged, take your pick, both are totally loony. That isn't just opinion. Franklin's number one looniest claim: that Genesis 3:15 is properly translated to people stomping on baby snakes and their eggs. But that's just one of his enumerable absurd utterances he has spewed all over FactNet, and that isn't limited to just SC related threads.

I guess it goes with the territory. For whatever reason, I suspect not enough "ammo" to get or keep anyone's attention, SC detractors must use any number of misleading and dishonest tactics. Misrepresentation of what the SC teaches, adding their own interpretations to SC teachings and then treating them as what the SC intended to teach, accusations based upon rumors, lies, and spin, all are part of the general arsenal of the typical SC detractor.

The reason, as I touched upon in the above paragraph, is because there simply isn't enough controversial material to keep or maintain a non-stop attack on the SC. 90% of what the SC teaches is straight Bible. There generally are only two issues that SC detractors focus upon. The Serpent Seed theory or doctrine if you will, and the attendant charges of antisemitism. Polygenism, the belief that the races were created separately, which detractors spin into a racism charge against the SC is the second. Neither charge is valid, and those topics have been addressed here in previous articles. Spinning those two topics feeds detractors i false charges. But to give you the short version, the ADL and SPLC do not list the Shepherd's Chapel among hate groups of any kind. And one must ask: If detractors are correct in their accusations, then why not?

The detractors highlighted here could never give an answer, even though they tried, with absolutely comic results. One finally, after forty, yes, forty days of a daily repetition of the question on FactNet's forum, finally admitted she didn't know.(Stage Director). "Jeff_Franklin" was a bit more creative, claiming that the ADL named known mentors and influences to Pastor Arnold Murray. The problem with that is Murry is the only one left alive out of the list, arguably thus would naturally be recognized as the torch bearer for his now dead predecessors. There's one problem with this: they do not. This is because they realize what the SC detractors here do not. Murray does not teach what they did.

Jeff_Franklin is so obsessed with unfairly comparing Murray and all SC students to Nazis, he was booted off FactNet for a time for doing so. And he was the butt of a humorous Photoshop image reproduced here:

Not learning his lesson, but having no SC students (due to the eradication campaign by FactNet's out of control far left atheist staff) to complain about it, Jeff_Franklin is still merrily comparing Murray and SC students to the Hitler regime.

However, after six years and thousands of posts stretching across at least three websites, Jeff_Franklin, like "Stage Director" (and any other Chapel critics for that matter) have, in their own ironic way, actually helped the SC grow, by causing others to take a look for themselves. One they do, they know who are the false accusers.

Smyrna SC Defender

Now that FactNet.org host to probably the largest collection of Shepherd's Chapel pro and con arguments has been exposed as the far left nest of vipers they are, it's time to give you a streamlined version of just what the fuss is about when it comes to the SC.

Generally, there are two major issues that critics and detractors point to. One is their charge that the SC's Serpent Seed (SS) teachings automatically aligns the SC with white supremacist groups within the Christian Identity (CI) movement. Christian Identity maintains that the tribes of Israel populated the British Isles, many becoming Christianized, and the term "British (or Anglo)-Israelism is used to describe adherents. The charge is strengthened by the fact there are quite a few CI groups that do teach a version of the Serpent's Seed. Please note the word 'version' here.

But the fact is even the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) recognizes there are Churches that teach the SS but without the component of accusing modern ethnic jewry of being the direct descendants of Cain. This except from the ADL's website explains:

" Once on American shores, British-Israelism began to evolve. Originally, believers viewed contemporary Jews as descendants of those ancient Israelites who had never been "lost." They might be seen critically but, given their significant role in the British-Israel genealogical scheme, not usually with animosity. By the 1930s, however, in the U.S., a strain of anti-Semitism started to permeate the movement (though some maintained traditional beliefs - and a small number of traditionalists still exist in the U.S.)."

Among that "small number of traditionalists" is the Shepherd's Chapel. This explains why the SC is neither mentioned in the list of hate groups published by the ADL or the Southern Poverty Law Center, the later even has a reputation of being overzealous when it comes to defining hate groups. This is due to their far-left agenda which attacks Christianity, even eschewing our national security by labeling anti-illegal immigration Christian groups as hate groups.

One fact regarding the SS teaching is that even ancient Jewish writings make mention of the Serpent's Seed.
This is one issue that was routinely ignored by the detractors during arguments documented on the SC threads at FactNet. And on the few occasions they were badgered into responding, they did so by summarily dismissing those writings as merely myth, or even by claiming the ancient Rabbinical school of simply "not knowing what they are talking about."

Ancient Jewish texts such as the Targums do well in explaining that the line of Cain, and his nature and destiny is summed up by the Jewish Encyclopedia (JE):

"Cain was also viewed as a type of utter perverseness, an offspring of Satan (Pirḳe R. El. xxi.), "a son of wrath" (Apoc. Mosis, 3), a lawless rebel who said, "There is neither a divine judgment nor a judge" (Midr. Leḳaḥ Ṭob and Targ. Yer. to Gen. iv. 8), whose words of repentance were insincere (Sanh. 101b; Tan.), whose fleeing from God was a denial of His omnipresence (Gen. R. xxii.), and whose punishment was of an extraordinary character: for every hundred years of the seven hundred years he was to live was to inflict another punishment upon him; and all his generations must be exterminated (Test. Patr., Benjamin, 7, according to Gen. iv. 24; Enoch, xxii, 7). For him and his race shall ever be "the desire of the spirit of sin" (Gen. R. xx., after Gen. iv. 7). He is the first of those who have no share in the world to come (Ab. R. N. xli., ed. Schechter, p. 133)."

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3904-cain

While the JE argues all descendants of Cain died in the flood, I suspect this is only due to the majority believing that the flood of Noah was worldwide, a point hotly debated among many. The term for these sons of Cain used by most SS believers is 'Kenite' i.e. son of Cain also spelled 'Cainites'. In the Old Testament, this tribe of Kenites is mentioned in several places post-flood and in present tense, which is puzzling in the face of the Targums claiming all had perished in the Flood. Be that as it may, St. Ireneaus spoke of the 'Cainites' a Gnostic sect judged heretical by the Catholic Church claiming they could trace their lineage back to Cain. Why they would be proud to do so points in the direction of the being a thread of truth to the SS, as the Cainites by strong consensus among scholars were a very wicked bunch.

Finally, if one spends the tome to research the SS teaching in the form taught by the SC, one would have to conclude that the SC is just what the ADL claims. That it is one of the smaller group of Churches that teach a traditional version of the Serpent's Seed, one that is not antisemitic.

Smyrna SC Defender · 05-09-2012 07:23 PM

FactNet's staff, which may now only consist of "Dodge" the liberal atheist self described board troll and Christian antagonist, appears to be desperate for new users. Consider this notice placed on the FatcNet forum:

05-09-2012 07:23 PM #1

"FACTnet is expanding beyond the subject of cults, and opening up the forum to subjects like climate change. We’re interested in stimulating open debates and opinions, examining the scientific evidence of global warming and whether human activity is largely responsible; and of course criticism from those who have different points of view. Is the Earth warming, are we responsible, will it cause serious problems for us in the future, and if so what can we do about it? We hope there will be interest here in looking into and discussing what many believe to be one of the most important issues facing life on this planet. If you want to join in on the discussion":

http://factnet.org/vbforum/showthrea...imate-Changing

My advice: if you don't believe that mankind can affect the climate, expect to be harrassed, incted to anger, and ultimately banned from posting on that forum. All one has to do is read the articles here to see what a cesspool that site is, who is running it, and what they have done in the past to users there, and then make up your own mind if you want to expose yourself to that lunacy.

It's become a left wing propaganda conduit. If you don't believe me, send FactNet an email asking how many Conservatives are on their moderating staff. The address is mrfactnet@gmail.com Good luck getting a response. And if you do it will probably be full of lies anyway. They aren't exactly chugging truth serum over there.

By the way, the announcement was unnecessary. After all, there has always been topics that had nothing to do with cults, so it's nothing but bloviating to make an announcement saying they are "moving beyond the subject of cults." I guess Dodge just likes to feel in control of something, and making an announcement that he is going to move beyond the discussion of cults ffeds the urge. If you ask me, he should work on getting control of his bladder and bowels first, and then move up from there.

In my opinion, Dodge, if he is the new "theadmin" as I suspect, is beating a dead horse.
He's just looking for more troll victims to try and bully with his brilliant intellect. Those he can't bully get banned. He only preys on the weak, hence the term bullying. His favorite topics are ones that pit liberals against Conservatives, so "climate change" certainly fits the bill. I'm not saying all Conservatives think cimate change is a hoax, but it's safe to say the majority do, especially anthropogenic climate chnage. After all the Bible predicted there would be strange weather in the last days of the age.

"There will be great earthquakes, and there will be famines and epidemics in many lands, and there will be terrifying things and great miraculous signs in the heavens ... On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea."
Luke 21:11,25

Atheists will claim anything to try and deny the existence of God. So be it. But to argue that mankind is changing the weather and that we can change it the way we want it to be is the height of arrogance and ignorance. In yesterdays' articel here, I noted that Dodge wrote about fossil fuel consumption pumps billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. To that I say big deal, there TRILLIONS of tons of air enveloping this planet, so that's like pissing into the ocean.

An analogy which describes how these cretins think is the BP oil spill. Sure, millions of gallons of oil were released into the Gulf of Mexico. But there are trillions of gallons of water. A few birds and other animals died, but the oil dissipated. But while it was occurring, "scientists" were claiming it would take 20 years for the Gulf to return to normal. It's bullshit. I work in the Gulf, the fishing is great, oyster beds are producing nice plump oysters, shrump are so plentiful the fisherman are complaining about the prices the're getting for them. The current administration is anti-oil, so much so some people think the BP spill was sabotage. So no wonder the parade of doomsayers claiming the death of the Gulf were quoted by an equally prejudicial media.

The bottom line: liberals despise fossil fuels as much as they despise those who believe in God, and will do anything to try and destroy both.

Smyrna SC Defender

No, the site is still up, but one wonders why. After all, a quick check of active threads shows very few are active. It was once a vibrant, active site with quite a few users spanning many topics. But considering the
actions of the staff, I'm surprised it really lasted as long as it did. Whoever is now paying to keep the site up is wasting their money, unless, of course, they are using other people's money i.e taxpayers, to spread left wing propaganda.

One laughable thread that has attracted the former lunatic faction of the Shepherd's Chapel threads (by the way, we are two days away from a month since anyone has posted to any SC thread) is the one dedicated to "Climate Change". Climate Change used to be called "Global Warming" until a few record setting severe winters went by, making a laughing stock out of the term. Undaunted, liberal idiots and the media have now popularized the term "climate change" so they can keep blaming evil capitalists and their corporations and can dream up scams like "carbon taxes" to take money from them, line their pockets, and then throw a few bones to poor countries, who in turn will kick back money to those same politicians so they can be re-elected and keep the gravy train going.

One notable post by "theadmin" sounds more like a classic "Dodge" post. Has the original Admin left the site? Is Dodge the last of the incompetent staff? It sure seems like it.

One of the funniest quotes I read on that thread is this:

"Human activities have increased the concentration of carbon dioxide and certain other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Detailed worldwide records of fossil fuel consumption indicate that fossil fuel burning currently releases over 30 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. Tropical deforestation and other land use changes release an additional 3 to 5 billion tons every year."

Dodge, who fashions himself such a genius, who wrote that crap above, apparently doesn't realize that plants absorb carbon dioxide and give off oxygen, and at night they release a negligible amount of Co2. Either way, "deforestation" does NOT "release 3 to 5 billion tons of Co2 every year" how the hell does one weigh a gas anyway? And who is Dodge preaching this bullshit to? A troll, Easeltine ("Weaseltime") an old man that has diminished mental capacity due to a few strokes,("Chad14) and some woman named "Turtle"who is very strange indeed.

The site is a loony bin, and I really hope it isn't federally subsidized somehow. I'd hate one penny to go to that corrupt left wing site, especially since it's nearly useless.

Smyrna SC Defender

By far the most outrageous detractor of the Shepherd's Chapel that I know of, is the person who calls herself 'Stage Director' at FactNet.org. A most prolific liar, among her most absurd are these:

1. Pastor Arnold Murray teaches that the Chinese people are sea animals in a lecture on the Book of Genesis. (that is not a joke, nor is it inaccurate, she really claims this)

2. Murray claims the SC as well as him personally, are mentioned in the Book of Habbukuk.

She bases both claims on her own whimsical interpretations of Murray's lectures on the books aforementioned. A compelling point to note; no one seems to agree with her. For if they did, the web would be ablaze with those accusations, since there is no shortage of anti-SC rhetoric on any number of websites detractors use to spread their misinformation.

She embellishes and adds her own changes and spin to stories she has heard about the SC on the web, and also claims to have "many friends" that are students of the SC. I'm sure they would not be so friendly if they knew the crap she spews on FactNet's forums regarding the SC.She has a habit of frequenting pro-SC forums, and acting like a Goody Two Shoes, yet at FactNet, she shows her true colors as the sleazy, rumor mongering troll she truly is.

Of course, she is quick to point out what everyone else has done which she sees as wrong, especially things she has done herself, which makes her a hypocrite as well. many of her tactics are common among Internet forum users. faced with having to concede she was wrong on one issue or another, she will either change the subject, ignore the post showing she was wrong, and even resort to heckling, making snide remarks which are irrelevant to the topic at hand. At times, she will even disappear for a few days to allow for other topics and posts to bury the one she screwed up on, and, upon her return, she will act as if there never was any controversy regarding what she had said.

The theory goes this woman became obsessed with Murry and the SC, after a failed relationship with an SC student, the breakup having to do with her having lost interest in studying with the SC. There really isn't another plausible explanation for her obsession. She has spent years spreading rumors all over the Internet about the Shepherd's Chapel, and it looks as if she isn't about to cease. All in vain, I say, since the SC is going strong, having more viewers than ever, with virtually it's own channel on DirectTV (224) broadcasting at least 60 hours each week, more than any other religious TV program.

In a way, people like Stage Director actually bring more viewers to the SC program. After all, when people read her outrageous accusations, they just have to tune in, to see if any of them are true. Some may stay and actually become students, others may go their way, but the fact remains, the SC is growing, and is not being affected by idiots like her that spew bullshit about the ministry

Thor

Ok, Weaseltine. I saw your cowardly post on the black metal thread, now its time for the feedback on it. I know you come here and read this . Thats why you constantly talk your shit about us over at factnet. I would challenge you to bring your pussy ass here, but I know your too much of a wimp to do that. You would much rather spread your venomous bullshit over there.

I love how you try to take a simple interest in a subject and saying that its a desire. Yes, I was reading up on dark magic. Yes I find the subject interesting. Yes, I am a pagan. I could careless what your puritanical ass considers evil. Having a desire for it implies that I openly will show signs of practicing it or being around other who do. Having an interest and a desire are two different things. Something that I know your ass can't comprehend. Because to me your puritanical arrogance is the total embodyment of evil. You know nothing of the subject you speak off, with the exception of what the tarnished Bible tells you (sorry Smyrna, I mean no disrespect to you nor SGNG). The type of energies I deal with are naturalistic and have nothing to do with black magic. But in your ignorant mind there is no difference and continue to huddle yourself in the self inflicted ignorance.You hide in the shadow of fear concerning the unknown. Your constant twisting of words shows how you are the true satan out there.

How long are you going to post about a dead issue such as black metal? How long are you going to continue making an ass of yourself about any of the subjects you talk about because you don't have the brain power to understand the subject. Its the same old thing with your type of Christianity, you talk trash about things you haven't the first clue on. Then when the responses fly, you run and hide and cry because of the aggression. In closing I have a direct message to you, dodge, turtle, and any other hypocritocal piece of shit on that pathetic board. Its called : I Love To Say FUCK by The Murderdolls. Because this is what I think of when I think of self righteous hypocrits like you. By the way, as the song says. I couldn't give a fuck what you say, what you think, what you do, or who you are. You are completely fucking worthless.

I Love To Say Fuck"

FUCK

Well I ain't got a fucking problem
I just love to say fuck
And I don't care who's around me
I could really give a fuck
And I don't care if you're my mother
Or my motherfucking father
I could really give a fuck now
That ain't my motherfucking problem

Oh, yeah
I love to say fuck when I'm driving in my car
Fuck when I'm walking in the fucking park
Fuck you if you don't like what I say
I love to say fuck every fucking day
Oh yeah

I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck

Well I hope I don't offend you
When I say the word fuck
I guess you had it coming to you
You're such a worthless little fuck
And I don't care if you're my mother
Or my motherfucking father
I could really give a fuck now
That ain't my motherfucking problem

Oh, yeah
I love to say fuck when I'm driving in my car
Fuck when I'm walking in the fucking park
Fuck you if you don't like what I say
I love to say fuck every fucking day
Oh yeah

I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck

Well I ain't got a fucking problem
I just love to say fuck
And I don't care who's around me
I could really give a fuck
And I don't care if you're my mother
Or my motherfucking father
I could really give a fuck now
That ain't my motherfucking problem

Oh, yeah
I love to say fuck when I'm driving in my car
Fuck when I'm walking in the fucking park
Fuck you if you don't like what I say
I love to say fuck every fucking day
Oh yeah

I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck
I love to say fuck

F.U.C.K. every fucking day (Fuck fuck fuck fuck)
F.U.C.K. every fucking day (Fuck fuck fuck fuck)
F.U.C.K. every fucking day (Fuck fuck fuck fuck)
F.U.C.K. every fucking day (Fuck fuck fuck fuck)

Fuck
Fuck
Fuck
Fuck
Fuck
Fuck
Fuck
Fuck

One nation under fuck with liberty fucking justice for all

Thor · 05-01-2012 08:01 PM

05-01-2012 08:01 PM#13

turtle

Senior Member

Easeltine I think what sad here you only picking on a particular race or do you mean black as evil heavy metal band. See Most heavy metal groups that I heard about growing up. So now you terminology does not compute. Nazism usually means whites as well, but you saying there are black nazi groups. Oh yeah I named one. However that beside the point. I think heavy metal in general seem to bring about certain talk concerning Satan. I would not be surprised if there are not latino and other groups. Satan worshippers are not about race, its acceptance of evil and evil art, and evil practices. Deception to your face. Can be as evil as people walking in sheep clothing. Or worse yet straightly telling you who they are. Yet unless you catch them in a ritual and live to tell it, no one will go to jail.

Thor

Those people on factnet just don't get it. Weaseltine, do you think that I really give a shit what you think? Do you think that by name dropping bands that I don't even listen to in the first place means anything? Or are you that shallow that you think that anyone remotely associated with a specific band is equally as satanic in imagery or ideals? You truly are a sad case and are that starved for posts on dying message board. You can speak your so called right minded piece all the way over there but haven't got the balls to apporach someone on a fully open blog. You are a coward end of story. Doesn't matter how you run and cry about how people call you names and other hypocritical crap you try to pull. If the name fits, then there is nothing more to do than accept the fact that you are a coward.

The same goes for you Dodge. You are now backing something that you got on my case about for so long? Do you think that by flip flopping I will all of a sudden forget what you were pulling? Sorry dodge, that only proves even more what kind of coward you are. You fucking cry about the lyrics in thrash metal and the imagery involved with that. Now your defending it? Which is the real you? The answer to that is troll. That is the real you. No matter how many times you bitch about that one, it doesn't change what you really are. If it moves and talks like a troll. Its a fucking troll.

I have something new for you. My latest purchase from the music store and its one that I am enjoying very much. Overkill's latest The Electric Age. The best piece of Thrash Metal I have heard in a long time and lets see how you can spin this one around. What kind of controversy will you try to create about this one? Doesn't matter because in the mighty words of Bobby "Blitz" Ellsworth " We Don't Care What You Say !!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!"

Shadowkitty

I was taking a look at FactNet's sister site Texas Cult Awareness Network which can be found here: http://www.texascult.org/

This is what their front page reads:

Cults are the greatest enemy of youth since Communism. Cults are even more insidious because they attack our chilldren at a very basic level. They attack the hearts, minds and souls of good Christian youth all over the world. Here at the Texas Cult Awareness Network, we provide a real solution for parents whose children have been mentally kidnapped by a cult. Using proven techniques first developed by respected Asian military doctors and psychiatrists between 1950 & 1953, TCAN has saved thousands of innocent children from the insidious terrorist tactics of cults and returned them to good homes with healthy Christian values.

Once TCAN discovers a victim of cult brainwashing, we take several proactive steps to insure that the individual is reintegrated into society in a timely manner:

The victim is discretely removed from the cult environment and temporarily relocated to one of TCANs numerous area "safe houses".
A team of our registered Emotional Restructuring Technicians isolate the newly liberated individual and keep them separated from all outside influences.
Our ERTs systematically remove all cult-induced thoughts, feelings, ideas and information from the victims' psyche.
This "bad data" is then replaced with TCAN-approved information. Thus returning the individual to a clean mindset filled with wholesome, Christian values, allowing them to become constructive members of society.

When I read stuff like this I start thinking about Project Bluebird, MKULTRA, or the Manchurian Candidate. According to the American Psychiatric Association "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition" (Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association, 1994) Multiple personality disorder is now classified as dissociative identity disorder.

What they describe in order to deprogram someone involved in a cult is almost like some sort of deliberately induced experimentally created dissosiative identity disorder that includes the following:

Created deliberately
A new identity is implanted
Amnesia barriers are created
Used in simulated or actual operations

In other words, it sounds like brainwashing which is exactly what they accuse the cults of doing. The only difference is the participant or victim willingly joined the religious group or "cult", where as with deprogramming they are kidnapped and forced.

Thor

Shadowcat has informed me that Col. Bowshut has now been banned from factnet. It looks like your prediction came true Smyrna. Soon befor you know it, all the normal posters will be gone and load the site for the big four of factnet. Where they will continue to spin on unopposed because they don't have the guts to bring it to any other place where they know they will be forced to deal with people of contrary opinions. So have fun, as precious factnt sinks faster than the Titanic. At least you won't have to hear that annoying Celine Dion song as it goes down.

Shadowkitty

This is an update and follow up to my last article "Just For The Sake Of Truth" that I posted yesterday, which you can find in the right sidebar.

I found a very good article about the old CAN organization written by Anson Shupe and Susan J. Darnell.

the same folks that wrote the book "Agents of Discord: Deprogramming, Pseudo-Science, And the American Anticult Movement".

Just as a reminder - Shupe is Professor of Sociology and Anthropology at the Joint campus of Indiana University and Purdue University in Fort Wayne and is thought of by many to be one of the most respected sociologists of religion. Susan Darnell is a civil rights activist and journalist. Susan Darnell also works for a credit union. So just to clarify this is an article by a professional scholar and a civil rights activist and journalist. This article is a very good resource and is blunt and to the point.

CAN, We Hardly Knew Ye: Sex, Drugs, Deprogrammers’ Kickbacks, and Corporate Crime in the (old) Cult Awareness Network

by Anson Shupe, Susan E. Darnell
A paper presented at the 2000 meeting of the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion.
Houston, Texas. October 21

Here is a snippet from the article:

On October 23, 1996 at 9:30 AM the Cult Awareness Network (CAN), a Chicago-based national anticult organization claiming to be purely a tax-exempt informational clearinghouse on new religions, closed its doors amid bankruptcy proceedings and its assets were auctioned off [see Document 1: Sale of CAN name]. The precipitating, but not lone, event that hastened its demise was a civil suit brought against both CAN and a trio of coercive deprogrammers who unsuccessfully tried to remove a legal adult, Mr. Jason Scott, from a United Pentecostal congregation.

Scott was violently abducted, physically abused, and forcibly detained at a remote Washington State location for almost a week. While CAN was meanwhile suffering many other lawsuits for alleged deprivation of the civil rights of members of minority religions, the Scott case became its Waterloo.

The jury was quite clear in its decision [see Document 2] to award compensatory and punitive damages to Scott. [1] CAN’s primary activity, this case and others have revealed, was to provide false and/or inflammatory opinion in the guise of "information" about minority religions to the media and other inquires. All or virtually all such "information" was derogatory, consistent with CAN’s goals of "educating" the public that various new religious movements (NRMs) are "destructive cults," that all of the members thereof are "cult victims," are "brainwashed," and are therefore at risk, possibly needing "rescue."

The jury’s decision, under the definitions provided in Washington law, was that CAN was truly an organized hate campaign. CAN described its activities in a euphemistic manner to make its activities seem less outrageous from a civil liberties perspective. The reason CAN ever became involved in the Scott lawsuit was that, consistent with its organizational pattern, it served as a conduit for referrals to coercive deprogrammers (later termed by CAN "exit counselors") who would, for a fee, abduct and during detention harangue family members into religious apostasy.

In a curt note to the defendants who tried to appeal the verdict [Document 3], including self-proclaimed Bible-based "cult expert" Rick Ross, who had thoroughly botched the Jason Scott deprogramming, United States District Judge John C. Coughenour concluded:

"Finally, the court notes each of the defendants’ seeming incapability of appreciating the maliciousness of their conduct towards Mr. Scott. Rather, throughout the entire course of this litigation, they have attempted to portray themselves as victims of Mr. Scott’s counsel’s alleged agenda. Thus, the large award given by the jury against both CAN and Mr. Ross seems reasonably necessary to enforce the jury’s determination on the oppressiveness of the defendants’ actions and deter similar conduct in the future." [2]

In this paper we do not rehash the Scott case, which was entangled in legal minutiae and appeals, nor do we chronicle the last days of CAN as it struggled frantically with a bankruptcy court to prevent its records and files from becoming public [see Document 4]. Instead, based primarily on the latter sources we present new evidence that CAN indeed illustrated the three levels of malfeasance recognized by criminologists:

street crime -- direct, physical tactics of assaulting others (or their property) for personal gain.
white collar crime -- insiders misappropriating or stealing from the organization’s resources for their own enrichment.
corporate crime -- performance of illegal, harmful criminal behavior as standard operating policy for administrators.

The second two levels are known in sociology as types of elite deviance [3], and that constitutes the thrust of our argument: CAN was a corporate criminal scheme involving (at times in its referred deprogrammings) illegal drug usage, conspiring to violate civil liberties, and sexual assault/harassment in the name of "counseling."

Our purpose is to shed new light on a highly visible, late twentieth century counter social movement with ostensibly humanitarian intentions, to extend sociological/historical understanding of the cult-anticult controversy that has preoccupied the attention of many scholars, and to encourage criminologists’ further interest in matters usually taken up by sociologists of religion.

You can read the rest here:

http://www.cesnur.org/2001/CAN.htm

Shadowkitty

Don't asked me what possessed me to do this but I am just now getting caught up on the entirety of the blog here. I've been so busy that I hadn't read every post that has been made. I noticed that smyrna recently mentioned that dodge used the name Zarquan on the old cultbusters forum. So just for kicks I ran a search for Zarquan and Cultbusters and I found an old thread from FactNet where smyrna was making an observation about one of dodge's posts under his username Zarquan. Apparently dodge was banned from Cultbusters when franklin was a moderator there for get this.....obscenities. Not only that, he has used several different usernames which include the names dodge, Zarquan, Observer, and Cauleen.

This is indeed interesting considering that dodge with his blowhard moderator cap on banned Sam for posting the lyrics to a song that had "obscenities", although Sam did it purposely knowing he'd be banned. Or the fact that dodge told me that I needed psychological help because I made mention that I curse, especially if angry, because I had anger management problems and I might hurt someone. A few months later, just recently to be exact, he told me that FactNet was affecting my mental health and that I need to go do some yoga or meditation because I told him to fuck off.

But now I see that he was banned at Cultbusters because of his obscenitites, which can be read about here:

http://factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?1248-IS-ARNOLD-MURRAY-A-PROPHET/page4

Boy the hypocrisy just gets deeper and deeper....

Smyrna SC Defender

Now we can add to the attempts at intimidation, lies, deceit, and arrogance another charge: cowardice. Our favorite cowards: Dodge the admitted board troll and Christian hating atheist, and his new partner in antagonism, the FactNet poster know as "Easeltine" whom we prefer to call "Weaseltime".

It is no coincidence that Dodge and Weaseltime have chosen to add to the thread at FactNet titled:

Black Metal Music within a few hours of Shadowcat's article here titled: "Just For The Sake of Truth"

I'm not surprised at this behavior, they are cowards and apparently bored ones. I can't speak for Thor or Shadowcat about this, but in my opinion, this is yet another indication of the type of individuals those two are.

Their behavior affirms the earlier charge oft harassment of who at the time were two FactNet members at the hands of both Dodge, who was a moderator at the time, as well as the other troll Weaseltine, who masquerades as a Christian all while condemning anyone who doesn't agree with his worldview of the Christian religion. But because both Dodge and Weaseltime dislike myself, Shadowcat and Thor, Weaseltime's offenses were ignored and tacitly encouraged by Dodge, even when he slapped on his Josh125 moderator mask and spun every one of Weaseltime's offenses into some benign opinion allowable under his lenient but biased interpretation of forum rules.

These are shameless and arrogant examples of their bias, and cowardice, as they surely can come here and make asses out of themselves any time they wish. But they would rather be hecklers sitting in the cheap seats. So be it, but now they know we have noticed, which should cause them to continue their silly games.

Shadowkitty · 10-31-2005 05:32 PM

This post has nothing to do with anything other than letting the truth be told. It has nothing to do with "siding" with Scientology or anyone else for that matter, as dodge claims. I of all people would never side with Scientology for the sake of taking sides, I am strongly opposed to Scientology and have been for quite sometime.

But if there is any truth behind the claims made at the website factnet exposed, I feel that it should be out in the open so folks can form their own opinion of whether or not it is something they want to be associated with. If even some of it is true and the rest is embellished, then still I feel that what is true should be out in the open. Just as factnet feels that the truth be told and out in the open concerning cults then the same must be true concerning factnet's former and current administration and their involvment with any organization that was/is guilty of illegal acts.

I feel that the current administration at factnet is deceptive and bias, and that is the reason I chose to leave the site. I do not feel that I want to be part of a site that appoints an atheist as a moderator on Christian threads that trolls around on Christian forums, even outside of factnet, in order to insult and ridicule the basic Christian beliefs and doctrines in order to try to intimidate or humilate the posters. Or someone that likes to insult others by telling them they are psychologically unbalanced because of their beliefs or because of a fault they deem they have. This someone is, of course, known as dodge. His username as moderator was Josh125, and he may still be moderator of factnet for all I know....I can't really believe him nor factnet because of their lying in the first place.

Not only did factnet appoint someone like this as a moderator they lied about it when they claimed that they were not going to appoint dodge as their moderator. In turn dodge lied about being a Methodist minister. While his stint as a moderator he would do the same tactics that he normally does, troll around insulting and ridiculing the posters that were Christians under his username dodge. I knew from the beginning when they claimed that they were going to appoint someone else as moderator that they lied, I could tell by Josh125's posting style that it was dodge. But I didn't have conclusive proof until dodge admitted it here on the blog that he was indeed the moderator Josh125. I warned all of the posters that I am friends, that I felt cared, that it was indeed dodge. So basically when he admitted to being the moderator I thought to myself, "well I knew it all along" and eventually I decided to leave the forum.

After leaving, I found something very interesting and very bizarre. I had seen the site factnet exposed once before awhile ago, but I never really went to the site or read it until just recently. Once I left factnet I removed the link to their website off of my favorites. So I ran a search in order to go to factnet to check my private messages there, and that is when I again saw the factnet exposed site. I then went to the site and read it, and I was very creeped out afterward. All I did was post the link here and ask if anyone had ever seen it, and if so was there any truth to it. I was then immediately banned from factnet for an entire year. All for just posting a link. It really doesn't matter much that I was banned because I had officially told dodge I was no longer going to post there. But I thought it was kinda strange that I got banned for a year just for posting the link and asking if anyone had ever seen it and if there was any truth to it. Then dodge came over to the blog here and accused me and others of "siding" with Scientology...whatever that means. What a very strange thing to say, I didn't realize there were "sides". Afterall, dodge has stated repeatedly that factnet forums are nothing more than a sandbox. Well if it is a sandbox, it appears that the they may need to change their sand cause it seems to be too soiled with shit for this Cat to use....LOL

Soooo, being intrigued about why dodge would flip a cork over one link that I posted and have me banned for a year, I just felt the need to do a bit of research about factnet and the validity to the claims on factnet exposed. I found some very interesting things. It appears that factnet was indeed linked to the old CAN in at least a couple of different ways. Also, factnet's sister website is called the "Texas Cult Awareness Network" and can be found here: www.texascult.org/.

Not only that, they still are linked to Rick Ross, they endorse him and have a link on their current website under an article titled, "Use of Forced Deprogramming" which reads: "For more information on the history of cult intervention work and ethical standards, please see http://www.rickross.com/ethics.html " which can be found here: http://www.factnet.org/node/370

Ethical standards and Rick Ross??? lmao Wow how weird considering that it was Rick Ross, his associates, and CAN who were involved in kidnapping 18 year old Jason Scott and his two younger brothers. Ross was eventually arrested and tried but was never convicted. His associates were and they were sentenced to 1 year in jail. They locked the two little ones in a basement and after days of arguing and shouting the two boys agreed to leave the church. Ross then kidnapped Jason and attempted to forcefully deprogram him. CAN referred Scott's mother to Rick Ross when she left the Pentecostal church because she was convinced the church was a cult and wanted help for her 3 sons that didn't want to leave the church. Rick Ross then kidnapped him and tried to forcefully deprogram him...?!?! You can read about the Jason Scott case here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott_case

The links between factnet to the old CAN are infact true, there is at least one letter that I found that Lawrence Wollersheim wrote to CAN's then executive director Cynthia Kisser. This letter can be found in the book, "Agents of Discord: Deprogramming, Pseudo-Science, And the American Anticult Movement" by Anson Shupe and Susan J. Darnell. Shupe is Professor of Sociology and Anthropology at the Joint campus of Indiana University and Purdue University in Fort Wayne and is thought of by many to be one of the most respected sociologists of religion. Susan Darnell is a civil rights activist and journalist. Shupe and Darnell were also able to uncover quite a bit of unethical accounting and handling of donations that CAN received. Also CAN and factnet have indeed used the same lawyer, Daniel Leipold.

I then began running searches for the people on factnet exposed and I came across some of the names on none other than factnet's archive message board forums. The posters are from the Tony Alamo foundation and they are discussing old times and the foundation. Ian Mann, one of the ex members, and one of the people mentioned on factnet exposed, is apologizing to some of the members who were children at the time for being "mean" to them and states that he was only following orders about that stuff. He then claims he had no children of his own so he didn't know any better....What a crock of shit! There is no excuse for this whatsoever, even a 12 year old babysitter knows not to be mean to children!!

Here is the post

10-31-2005 05:32 PM #22

iasmann (iasmann) Guest

Hey jules, Teaching at the

Hey jules,

Teaching at the school was a real blessing for me. I had a lot of fun with everyone and you all learned a lot. You were good students and good kids. I think it was just you and April in your class. I can;t remember if there was any one else. It is truly one of my happiest memories of the foundation

I;m sorry for the ones I was mean to. Like Carlos and Miguel, Jason and Big D in particular. I was just following Tony and Sues instructions on that stuff. Never having been a parent at that time I didn;t know much about kids and thought I was doing the right thing.

Also on this thread they are discussing how it was nice to talk and be able to recognize who was who because on the main forum some of them had a different username....... This can all be found here: http://factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?9854-Just-talk

Huh? Different usernames?? But factnet's rules are that only moderators are allowed to have 2 different usernames. That means that these folks were moderators on factnet apparently.

Also Jesse Prince, another criminal mentioned on factnet exposed, has indeed been involved, at least somewhat, with factnet. You can read that here: http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/lauras.htm.
This website is about an issue that cropped up between factnet and CAN awhile back. I stumbled across this link just today. Apparently Jesse had actually gone to factnet's lawyer, Daniel Leipold to speak with him and in this post he mentions factnet. Although this does not prove that he was a mod on factnet, it would not surprise me if he was.

So as we can see, there is a connection between the old CAN and factnet and there is indeed a connection between some of the folks on the website factnet exposed and factnet, and some of them most likey were moderators on the factnet forum if they were allowed more than one username on factnet.

I am still finding more and more every day so stay tuned more articles to come.

Smyrna SC Defender

The following is a synopsis of our beef with FactNet as both users and also Christian users where this may apply:

Contrary to the spin "Will" aka "Dodge" aka "Josh125" as this atheist board troll and former moderator at FactNet claims, I am not disappointed because I can no longer insult FactNet users I don't agree with. First of all, that's ridiculous, because I can, have and will right here, just as the anti-Shepherd's Chapel people do at their own websites, as well as FactNet. He keeps claiming that and it's just BS.

I have no issue with Lawrence Wollersheim, something else this idiot Dodge keeps claiming. I'm not convinced he knows anything about what "theadmin" aka "Nabashalam" or "Capt. Furillo" at FactNet did when he not only appointed the board troll atheist Dodge as moderator over the Christian boards, but then lied when claiming he was steeping aside and another appointed, when in fact he was only given a false identity so he can continue in that role. Dodge would rather ignore those facts and claim I have a beef only because I can't abide by the rules of FactNet. That's bullshit, and nothing but bullshit.

As for the so-called rules: The staff and former moderator Dodge hide behind these rules, and use them only to harass those they disagree with. This has become plainly evident, so to call them rules is really not the most accurate way to describe them. They are tools rather than rules, and they are used as weapons rather than a way to preserve civility.Anyone who reads this blog and sees the evidence will see this is so, it's not even the result of slanting or spinning, and there will be more examples as we proceed.

The blog FactNet exposed and my linking to it has nothing to do with any collusion on the part of writers of this blog. We could care less about the long time beef between FactNet and Scientology. And while we cannot make any claims as to how true the material on the FactNet Exposed Blog is, we haven't seen any refutation of the material the blog contains. All we have seen is ad hominem rhetoric, Dodge and "theadmin" referring to us as pawns of Scientology, and that we are running a "smear campaign".

If we are running any campaign, it's to inform as many people as possible to stay away from FactNet due to the behavior of the staff, which has been documented here. If any of FactNet Exposed is true, it's just merely icing on a cake we've already baked.

Thor

I was thinking that we could use a battle cry in our fight for real justice. I kinda thought it would be this Frank Sinatra cover done by Bronx Casket Company because through it all We Did It Our WAY!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Thor

Ok, I am reading this debate on the quote mentioned about Shadowcat, and its driving me crazy because its blatantly obvious what its about. SGNG is a good guy and keeping the peace. Since I am already banned, I have nothing to lose. We all know that your full of shit Stage. This quote is the proof, your just trying to save face because you have a fucking Tiger by the tail and it is pissed.

"Well, darlin' ... If you've ever actually read what I say without a filter, you'd know that this is not much different from what I've always said regarding these subjects. See, I have given it a honest look, and I have frequently disagreed with things attributed to PM that I know are not true, I have never been shy about the things I do agree with him on, and I've corrected conclusions that turned out to be wrong. And no.. I am not going the direction of Shadowcat. Umm, barring extremely diminished mental capacity from a severe head injury, that is."

Just look at the part here from the above quote:
"I am not going the direction of Shadowcat. Umm, barring extremely diminished mental capacity from a severe head injury, that is."

This says it all. Your implying right there that something massive has happened to Shadowcat that diminished her mentally. That the only way for you to do what she does is to have the same thing happen. I already said that you could never be like her, so why bother trying. She is beyond you and you can't handle that. So you double back because now your ass is in deep and everyone knows what you were implying. At least be a big girl about it and own up to it. You coward!!

Thor

This one is about the entity Stage Director. I was trying to gather all the data available for this one and went to the point where my head is about to explode from the rediculous nature of her posts. One thing that is apparent, is that her blind hatred for SC has clouded her senses so much that she will take the slightest bit of info and expand upon it to make it look bigger than it actually is. Usually with no backing behind it and if there is anything supposedly backing it it ends up falling into the following categories: 1) completely misinterpretting the information presented 2) the supposed proof is compiled of faulty data 3) completely fabricated and exists no where but Stage's own head 4) completely irrelevant information but used to waste time and energy.

My favorite argument has to be the topic of the planes that Arnold Murray has/had. I mention this one because it is a perfect example of category 4 Stage-ism. This topic went in circle after circle and does it really matter anyway? What does the number of planes a person owns have to do with the theology itself? This is a real head scratcher and has no clear answer because, it was all used as a tool to keep a dying topic open.

Then there was the discussion of Serpent Seed, and here we have Stage Director pulling a Franklin. She claims to be so knowledgable about Judaism but can't seem to grasp this idea. That for some strange reason the Targum, The Zohar, and The Talmud contain the Serpent Seed doctrine that she hates so much. Then she takes that and spins around by saying those aren't Jewish Holy Books and that only a handful of Jewish Scribes taught it. Obviously it had to be more than a handful because those same teachings can be found in those books and it is also a topic in Kabbalism. But wait, for all her supposed love for the Jewish people, she spins again and says all are doomed unless they accept Christ. So there fore she is against anti-semitism yet says unless they convert and accept Christ they are in the bullet train to Hell. These are the ones she says are God's chosen people, but if that were the case wouldn't they be going up instead of going down?

Then if thats not bad enough, she kindly tries to stick her head up the asses of those who attack Murray with no mercy. The sucking up is hilarious. Then like in the case of Shadowcat, she says the only way she could ever be like Shadowcat, is to have a massive head wound. First things first, Stage could never be like Shadowcat because Shadowcat has integrity. She posts her opinion on actual facts instead of jargon concocted from every crack pot on the planet. Also Shadowcat never runs and hides from questions that she doesn't want to answer. Stage loves to portray herself as a cowgirl, but I think that the term cow shit is more appropriate for her. Because thats all that comes from her. At least Shadowcat has what it takes to admit when she is wrong. Too bad I can't say the same thing for you Stage. I am pretty sure that the sun would explode far before you would ever admit that one. No wonder you and Dodge are so buddy buddy. You two are so far each other's ass that we have a real case of the Human Centipede happening.

In closing, I will say if there is anything that I may have missed and Smyrna would like to add. Please feel free to add an edit to this post.

Smyrna SC Defender · 04-17-2012 05:40 PM

Hey, why not? After all, cbrefugeecamp.yuku.com has a thread which "tracks the criminal activities of the person known as Smyrna" which was deigned by a FactNet user whose yet to have been banned at FactNet for making personal attacks or otherwise poking fun at another FactNet user.

After all, I was banned at FactNet for making a spoof page of Dodge, even though I never used his FactNet name, but a slight variation of his Cultbusters.com.au user name "Zarquan."

But the people responsible for making a spoof page making fun of me at YUKU.com have not been banned at FactNet,. But that isn't the topic. This is "Dodge Watch: Tracking The Stupidity and Hypocrisy One The World's Self-Declared Smartest Men"

Here is a truncated post from the "New Shepherd's Chapel thread" at FN:

04-17-2012 05:40 PM #33

dodge

Senior Member

"Hi Franklin. A fiary tale features fantasy characters like goblins, elves, dwarves, and gnomes; and includes magic. The Bible is filled with stories of miracles, angels, demons, and imaginary places like the Garden of Eden, heaven, and hell."

If one read the entire post, it is off topic, and no, there is no excuse for it, just because someone else may have digressed first. The only reason this hypocrite takes issue with people going off the intended topic, it;'s when he's losing an argument regarding that topic. However, at times he doesn't even need that:

04-15-2012 02:28 AM #1903

dodge

Senior Member

"Hi Dob. I’m not a moderator here. I can’t ban anyone. I would ask you though, if you want to participate in this forum, to stay on topic. Do you have anything to say about Shepherds Chapel?"

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But he doesn't have to worry, Josh2 has him covered:

" Got it? I am not going to talk to you hooligans until I am blue in the face, from now on posts that derail threads will be deleted at my discretion. Don't bother writing me when that happens."

At his discretion? Nothing like leaving an opening when you favor your predecessor. Your off-topic posts are safe from deletion Dodge, as if you didn't know.

Josh2, Post #1904

Under the thread "Finally, A Rational Discussion about Shepherd's Chapel!" The following posts are off topic:

Warning to get back on topic Josh2: #1881

#1882 Josh2 (No kidding it really was, he could have used the PM system)

#1889- Dodge

# 1883- Stage Director

#1884- Dodge

#1885- Shadowcat, Answering his question,(#1884) meant to bait her into posting off topic, as you will see.

#1886- Shadowcat ,offering an addendum to #1885

#1887- Dodge, off topic, and containing an ad hominem attack, (Well, Shadowcat, fortunately you don’t have any say in who is chosen to moderate this forum.') and also chiding Shadowcat for being off topic, after baiting her to go off-topic with his post #1884.

This sleazebag also lied as well: with the silly excuse "my work was dine" referring to his stint as moderator of the Christian boards. And how was it "done"? I suggest his "work" was causing the chaos he did.

#1888- Shadowcat, addressing why Dodge baited her into addressing off-topic posts. She got angry and cursed that SOB for for dong that and other things...a warning from Dodge's new protector, "Josh2" was inserted in her post, no warning to Dodge for deliberately taking the thread off topic right after Josh2 instructed the users to stay on topic was given.

#1889-Dodge, Off topic yet again, and this ad hominem attack was given:

"Hi Shadowcat. I forgive you for your extremely unpleasant and rather vicious post aimed at me. That kind of vile outburst isn’t like you. As a matter of fact, I would ask if your husband used your account to log on and make that comment; because that’s more his style. Of course, that would be a serious breach of the user agreement; as is the profanity you (or your husband) used. If it was you, it would appear you need to back off from this forum for your own sake. It seems to be affecting [you]

"Do you have relaxation techniques to center yourself? Try some Yogic breathing exercises and perhaps a mantra of some sort. That used to help me when I found myself emotionally stressed. Be well."

Last edited by Josh2; 04-14-2012 at 12:08 AM.

The original attack was much more harsh worthy of being banned based upon Dodge's pattern of inciting her to anger, (trolling) but no, not even a warning given to Dodge, just Josh2 softening what was still an attack, and of course, off-topic.

#1890- (Dodge on topic)

#1891- One of the world's smartest men (according to him) correcting a minor spelling error. Off topic.

#1891-Shadowcat, off topic, addressing the troll Dodge's accusation that she lent her account to her banned husband.

#1893 Dodge- Off topic, ignoring that he baited Shadowcat into going off topic, inciting her to anger with his accusation she lent her husband her account, and after making her angry deliberately, now accuses her of not being able to control her self, and continues to belittle and berate her.

Here's some civility for you Dodge: you're an asshole.

#1894 -Off topic, Kestrel, who saw what was going on with the bias coming from Dodge and his troll activities, addressing Shadowcat about all the corrupt moderator activity.

#1895- Off topic, Stage Director, worthless throw away comment.

#1896- Off topic Stage Director, whining about no topic she's interested in. Thanks for the input.

#1897- Off Topic, Shadowcat, asking why Stage Director is posting about topic not under discussion at all.

#1898- Off topic, Dodge, now that he finished his trolling and upsetting the board, now wants to get back on topic.

#1899 Shadowcat- Still pissed, (can you blame her?) Addressing this vile POS about his continued harassing her and getting away with it.

Thread Location

If that isn't a display if Dodge's trolling and the complicity of the latest criminal moderator in allowing it, then I don't know what is.

Smyrna SC Defender · 01-15-2012 01:32 AM

Now that we have established how trustworthy 'theadmin' at FactNet really isn't, take a look at this:

01-15-2012 01:32 AM #601

theadmin

Board Adminstrator

"Announcement: I have the highest of clearances here and can tell you with all honesty I do not have access to others PMs. This is the first I have heard of this plug in and can promise that no one here will try such a hack. There is only two others with the clearance level I have and that is Lawrence Wollersheim, the owner and one other who is our top tech who remains anonymous for safety's sake and I can tell you that they also would have no reason or want to view posters PMs and would never do such a thing.

So please rest easy and be confident that your PMs will remain just that...Private.

With all sincerity, Capt Frank Furillo "

Post Location

The above was in response to this information:

"Superadmins can read private messages" which is a plugin program for Vbulletin subscribers (such as FactNet) that allows Admins to read PM's between users.

Side Note: I had forgotten about this, so it is possible Dodge/Josh125 in conjunction with "theadmin" who has the "highest of clearances" read my PM's where I showed Shadowcat how Stage Director stalked, oops, sorry, "tracked" my IP to a company I've never worked for, read the PMs and got that info.

So FactNet users are now expected to merely trust that "theadmin" "Capt. Furillo" you know, the guy who apologized for appointing an atheist board troll who had insulted everyone who was a Christian on the Christians boards, as moderator, lied about him being removed, and gave him another alias to use to try and hide the fact no change of moderator was ever made.

Here's what probably really happened:

First check this comment about the guys with the "highest level of clearance" (e.g. what the hell does he think it is, the CIA?):

"There is only two others with the clearance level I have and that is Lawrence Wollersheim, the owner and one other who is our top tech who remains anonymous for safety's sake..."

(Smyrna: Hey Admin, why not just give your top tech a fake name, you're good at that, how about Josh3?)

Well, if you're following along, you read about how morally upstanding FactNet's administrators may be, if we want to believe what the author of FactNet Exposed wrote in his blog of 2007. Common sense would say if the original folks aren't there, then those who replaced them probably are from the same labor pool.

And even without that little bit of info, we still have absolute proof 'theadmin' lied and so having lied once, who's to say he wouldn't be lying again?

Therefore, it's very possible the scenario played out like this:

TheAdmin: "Hey (unnamed "top tech") did you know there's a plugin we can get from VBulletin that would allows us to read the users PM's? Let's download that, ok?

Unnamed "Top Tech": (maybe he's unnamed because he's one of those people we read about on the FactNet Exposed blog) "Yeah, good idea. After all, we can harvest info that may be of use to us."
(like intimidating users who are banned and writing blogs critical of them, such as your real name, place of employment, etc. )

For current users of FactNet's discussion boards:

Don't use their PM system. Copy your current messages if you think you have sensitive info in them to your own computer files, in case they may be used against you in the future. You never know, and at least you can prove where the info came from if they do use it against you .

"So please rest easy and be confident that your PMs will remain just that...Private."

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